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YAY! WE CAN TALK ABOUT MAGOLOR! KAWAII!!!

Not really, but we can discuss about what info we should add to him. Also, does anyone have a good pic of Magolor EX?

ModelS 04:09, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Added. EmptyStar (talk) 14:50, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Vivi/Simirror

They do not look anything alike. Would that mean Poes from Ocarina of Time would look like Magolor as well, "except with more regal attire"? 98.119.114.33 07:36, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Whoever keeps saying that he's similar to Vivi from Final Fantasy needs to quit it. They may bear SOME small resemblance, but this is not relevant to Magolor now is it?

Blue Sun Studios 20:02, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Someone

It says that he talks about someone who knew Kirby well. I've talked to him in normal and Extra Mode with all Energy Spheres, and I've never seen him say that in my entire life. When exactly does he say it? NerdyBoutKirby Dark DaroachThat's what I am. Savvy? 00:13, December 14, 2011 (UTC)


You have to talk to him twice in the Lor Starcutter. The first time he talks about how he got Landia and blabla. But later on he mentions that someone in his dimension (as Halcandra is in another dimension.) knows Kirby. And he says that it's someone who he's afraid may have faught with Kirby before.

It's most likely Galacta Knight, because in this same game, Galacta Knight is revealed to be from "another dimension" like Magolor is.

species theoryKirby1010 17:42, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

No he doesn't. He just mentions that he knows about Kirby because Kirby is famous. He never mentions a "someone." 98.250.200.102 22:58, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Talk to him in extra mode!


Did anyone else single him out as the final boss from the second he came on screen? http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5026/9511327106020temp.gif 20:41, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Extra Mode attacks

Can someone who doesn't suck at grammar and spelling add those in?--Starman125SirkibblehelperKSS Mm7helmetersprite.pngEh, nice armor. Uh, sure, thanks. 16:11, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

The page got revamped. Hows it look to you now? Anything you want me to change? EmptyStar (talk) 14:50, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Merging personality and appearance sections

What I've done in the past for character pages was have the appearance and personality sections. Ie. Ribbon and Adeleine. This won't result in any content being removed or anything, I just want some feedback before I do this for Magolor's page. EmptyStar (talk) 14:50, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Manipulated maybe?

I mean: Look at how the crown suddenly takes over him when he becomes "Magolor Soul". It is very likely that the crown had a life of its own and was calling out for him all the time. Kinda like how the Demon Crown did in Cave Story. Also, another thing to note is that another force was behind the Demon Crown in Cave Story. Guess who must be behind the Master Crown. One hint, You need to have a good EYE for DARK stuff. Tsukiyomaru0 (talk) 06:08, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

I've discussed this once before. With all due respect, I think we should stop thinking so hard about vague, obscured details and focus on what the games hand to us. NerdyBoutKirby Wreck THIS 00:08, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
Hey Tsukiyomaru0, I made some commenting on that subject in the Dark Matter. Mabye you should check that out??? Notice the crown jewel turns purple in EX, similar to Dark Daroach posessed by Dark Nebula (Dark Zero in Japanese). If you check it out, can you give me a comment on this page? I wonder how good my theory is? Look for my "username", 98.64.129.27 21:23, December 10, 2012 (UTC)a random person

Music

I'm noticing someone keeps putting a statement that his first battle theme is a remix in the trivia section. There's no hard evicende proving this; it's pure conjecture and doesn't belong in the trivia section. The problem people keep running in to is that they mistake the composer's style for a remake and don't consider that the reason why the music sounds "familiar" is because the style is familiar. Saying Magolor's theme is a remix of anything is just about saying that anything John Williams did after the 1970's is a remake of Jaws, Superman, and Star Wars.Kleptomarnie (talk) 21:42, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

This is the correct place to challenge something on the article. What you're trying to do, however, is prove a negative. What you are challenging is highly-specific - it outlines very well-known themes and in the sequence which the poster claims the remix follows, and the fact that different fellow users have been putting it back on reinforces their case. While I certainly am not saying it is definitely correct, for you to say there's no hard evidence and that's pure conjecture, how do you back that up (you are proving a negative - is that even possible)? From my point of view it is very unlikely that the information is made up. Changtau2005
KirbyKSSUwalk Poyo! 22:29, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
It's actually been the same user every time. I'd still like to see their evidence that the themes are there. Fact is, | I've seen this debated elsewhere (full disclosure: waddledoodles is me, even though that's kind of painfully obvious) and the results AREN'T conclusive--for as many people who think that it's a remix, there's just as many who think it isn't. I've got a handful of people I could summon to say right here and now that they don't think it's a remix of anything, and some of them are musicians. So where are the links to what themes *specifically* are referenced in the song and which parts of the song they appear in? There's a Squeak Squad theme referenced vaguely, but which one? And where? And where's the part with the O2 theme? This is the first place I've ever heard either of those claims. Elsewhere, people have said that it's just been the KDL3 Hyper Zone theme. Fair enough, they're similar, but Squeak Squad and K64? And why would the theme reference Squeak Squad, anyway, when, thematically, it makes no sense? This is the end of the story, which means all the thematic elements are coming together. While the score does reference other Kirby games, most of it is heavily focused on Adventure and Super Star--especially in the end. You can hear the musical references to Super Star both in the chase level preceding the final boss battle and in the theme for the second phase of battle. The Dark Matter references would make sense since Magolor has an eye similar to that of Dark Matter. But why would there be a Squeak Squad reference? Again, this is something I've seen happen repeatedly, are people mistaking a song for a remix when what they're really hearing is a composer's style. Jun Ishikawa has a very distinct style; this is why so many people say portions of the RtDL score remind them of K64 or KDL3. Those are all scores that he either composed by himself or predominantly. So unless there's some hard evidence--links to musical refrains and the like--why is this allowed here? Why not allow people to post whatever half-baked theories they come up with as fact? Because this is in the same vein. Kleptomarnie (talk) 23:11, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
Multiple games are referenced. Have you seen the Stone form of the Dragoon from KAR and the Triple Star (KSqSq), Power Paintbrush (KCC), and Star Rod?
I found the Squeak Squad part. Compare these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po8Ylu3UgJU -- start at 0:44.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD4BqwINz0M -- start at 1:08.
As for the Zero Squared part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iCOS_FmOZE -- start at 1:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD4BqwINz0M -- start at 1:34
NerdyBoutKirbyGrandServes you right! 00:56, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
...they sound absolutely nothing alike, aside from the stylistic similarities since, again, Jun Ishikawa worked on both games. Yes, multiple games are referenced, but as I said, towards the end of the game, the musical emphasis is on Super Star. This makes sense within the context of the story since Magolor's scheme was similar to Marx. Again, the Dark Matter references would make sense in the context of that battle since Magolor's eye resembles that of Dark Matter, but why would they reference a bunch of mice enemies during Magolor's fight?Kleptomarnie (talk) 01:05, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
I'm not an argumentative type, but I hear plenty of resemblance. Obviously, other people did too. No offense, but here's what I'm hearing: "Well, other people hear it, but I myself don't, and that means the other guys are completely misguided and wrong." If you hear no similarity, find a few others who feel that way. It's your word against another editor's and mine. Plus, The Great Cave Offense theme is mixed into Magolor Soul's music. Whether a tune fits the mood or not is irrelevant. NerdyBoutKirbyGrandServes you right! 01:17, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
All I'm seeing is you saying these things, too, so where's your back-up? Nevermind that this is absolutely positively the first time I've ever heard anyone say that Magolor Soul has The Great Cave Offensive mixed in, unless you're talking about Crystal Cave or any other theme that has the little Super Star refrain that's present in both CROWNED and the chase level music--which, again, ties in to "the music heavily features Super Star as a reference to the similarity between Magolor's plot and Marx's". Whether the tune fits the mood IS relevant, because the composers haven't been known to randomly burst out remixes that don't fit the tone of the level or fight. Also, did you even read that forum link I posted? You'll see people having this exact same debate, and see that there are people who don't think it's a remix of anything. I don't think something that can be debated like this should be posted on the wiki as fact. Kleptomarnie (talk) 01:23, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
Now THAT I can agree with. It is unclear, and no side can be absolutely proven. I will change the wording to make that clear. NerdyBoutKirbyGrandServes you right! 01:47, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
Alright, I haven't had the chance to cross-reference the the data before, but since this trivia point has had kilobytes of talk page to it and NerdyBoutKirby posted the videos I've listened to them. I agree with Kleptomarnie that they are loosely based in the same "style", and I would interpret "style" more accurately as instrumentation and timbre, but I don't hear the remixed parts (I'm ABRSM grade 8 for for whatever little that's worth). A remix means taking bars out of the source material and rearranging them, so you would hear the exact same sequence of notes in the same rhythm. I'll take that trivia point out based on inadequate given supporting evidence (that does not mean no evidence exists), but if anyone can point out which phrases (give precise video start and endpoints for each phrase and note sequences) are replicated or remixed, then do post it.
Please do remember editing courtesy in the future - this wiki does not enforce the 3RR rule but please refrain from repeatedly adding/removing the contested piece of information until a talk-page resolution is reached. While it is inspiring to see passionate people defend and change the source material in the name of accuracy, please adhere to best-practices and conservative editing whenever possible, and this goes to everyone. I don't want to and shouldn't have to say this but some of you should know better than to edit-war. Changtau2005
KirbyKSSUwalk Poyo! 15:09, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

i found some more similarities http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4K_6_cdOoE 0:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0dzzE9MJFI 1:50 DeDeDe Devious (talk) 01:13, February 18, 2014 (UTC) DeDeDe Devious

20th Anniversary Puzzle

Magolor doesn't appear in the Mii Plaza 20th Annversary Puzzle. Delphox655MSExcuse Me

He does. One has to pan the camera downward toward the end of the animation. NerdyBoutKirby DK Sig 2 Hey! I found it first, buddy! 00:45, December 15, 2014 (UTC)
Either way, the sentence is still wrong. In the 20th Anni. puzzle his skin is dark blue not black. Delphox655MSExcuse Me
Just checked -- it isn't. It does indeed remain black, the black just appears slightly differently due to the nature of the sprite's surroundings. Notice that the Starmen that fly past also are outlined in a somewhat blue-black color. NerdyBoutKirby DK Sig 2 Hey! I found it first, buddy! 03:40, December 15, 2014 (UTC)

Debatably higher quality scans of Official Artwork

Feel free to revert if you believe the previous was superior. SYZekrom (talk) 23:45, July 7, 2016 (UTC)


Aeroon (talk) 17:15, March 7, 2019 (UTC): I found an image online containing more Magolor concept art, but it is too far away to make anything out. I was wondering if I should upload it to the Magolor Wiki because when The Three Mage-Sisters were announced as Dream Friends, people uploaded low-quality images of their gameplay taken from a magazine, which was all they could get their hands on.

Separate page for Kirby Clash Deluxe Magolor

The Magolor in Kirby Clash Deluxe obviously isn't the same Magolor from games prior.

1. Obviously different outfit

2. He doesn't even know who Kirby is at the start (Just like with KCD Bandana Waddle Dee)

3. He lives in Dream Kingdom, which is hinted to be either a whole other world or another time period by in-game dialogue

4. Obviously different job (Magolor is a Theme Park Creator and Ex-Villain, while KCD Magolor owns a shop full of weapons, armor, and support items)

So, if you all agree, I thought we should make a new page for him. Of course if we make a new page for him, that'd mean we'd have to make pages for characters like KCD Bandana Dee. Thoughts?

Digi the Kirby fan 12:33, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

Might be just an act to coincide with the theme of the game. In fact, for all intets and purposes, the mode could also be another one of Magalor's attractions. He's probably donning a different outfit and job as part of the act.--KarjamP (talk) 12:40, April 14, 2017 (UTC)
That's kind of a big assumption in my opinion. I think we should wait for some more opinions on the matter. Digi the Kirby fan 14:38, April 14, 2017 (UTC)
It is most likely another version/species-member of Magolor, but it still could could just be a job, either way we need more information on him before we take action. May I suggest we simply add another chapter on his page for that variation/attire after we gather more data?
JonasEVB (talk) 16:57, April 14, 2017 (UTC)JonasEVB
It's the same Magolor. He can be seen with his original garb manning the shop during the Staff Credits and during the final, conclusion scene. The reason he doesn't wear them in-game is probably because his original clothing can actually be purchased; therefore, it offers a valid reason as to why he's not wearing them. I mean, would we really say that the Taranza, Kirby, Bandana Waddle Dee and other characters that appear here are different? Meta Kirby52 Nowhere To Run Not This Time. 00:26, April 15, 2017 (UTC)
It's a different dimension, but it is the same him, he wears green clothes because of latter reasons. Thanks, Meta Kirby52!
JonasEVB (talk) 03:07, April 15, 2017 (UTC)JonasEVB

About the "Magolor has always been influenced by the Master Crown in Return to Dream Land" theory

In some occasions on youtube I have seen Kirby fans talking about it as a fact and not speculation, and while this is something that can be said about many things, this has happened the most in my case. Thing is, the theory is, respectfully speaking, pretty bad.

There are 2 ways the theory goes; "Magolor was always influenced by the crown in all of Return to Dream Land", or, "Magolor was influenced by the crown from the moment he got it". The evidence to say "no" to this is both within the game and in future games.

Within the game we have the fact that the crown was stated to possess Magolor, not mind controlling him, and before getting the thing Magolor said it was an item that would let someone rule the universe, when in fact it was a living power source. Magolor also says that his plan all alone was to have Kirby and co. defeat Landia for him to have the crown. So, possession, as a power, is something that let's one have direct control over other, usually entering inside said other, and in the crown's case it's shown that it at least needs contact. Thus, to make the theory true, the crown would have to now have the power to influence Magolor from distance... Universes away from Halcandra. Ok, maybe it's not a constant influence, the crown could have changed Magolor's mind and be done with that. If this were the case then why didn't the crown used that power on anyone on Halcandra through all the time it was there? Why didn't this had any repercussion on the history on top of leaving no trace of happening? Wouldn't it be far more reasonable to believe that some kinda evil guy wanted to attempt rule the universe using the crown so he did just that, on his own? Ok then, maybe the crown can only influence others at short distances and only affected Magolor when he got it, except this goes against the info he says before getting the crown, his "plan all alone" and this thing let's you "rule the universe" lines, and the fact that he attacks Landia just to get the crown.

And in future games the evidence to deny the theory can be summarized in "there is 0 repercussions or references to the new ideas the theory would create" and "all the ha-ha-Magolor-used-to-be-evil jokes and references need to be interpreted in an lightly less reasonable way". Also, he made theme parks to apologize, kinda hard to miss that out.

I was inspired to make this after reading this, there was something there that called my attention; "...The Master Crown sits atop his head, its claws noticeably clasping down on his head and even wiggling and bouncing from time to time (perhaps evidence that the crown is controlling Magolor). After being defeated by the Ultra Sword, the Master Crown malfunctions and takes control of Magolor.[1]"... So, Magolor being controlled by the crown at that time is a possibility but then he starts getting controlled by the crown... Ummm, wouldn't that make little sense considering it needed to get hit by an ultra powerful sword and go "wild" in order to control Magolor?

Then again, this is all respectful, there must be a reason why so many believe this, and the possibility of me being wrong is there. Maybe there is information I don't have and this are all just inconsistencies. Eficiente 11:24, April 21, 2019

Oh, oops. I forgot to remove that former part. But yeah, I don’t believe Magolor was controlled by the Master Crown for the entirety of the game, because that would honestly make no sense. The only time he is posessed is when he is in his final form. There’s not really any evidence to suggest otherwise. Cuckoo Kirby fan (talk) 03:07, April 22, 2019 (UTC)Cuckoo Kirby fan
Good to see a positive response, thanks. All of this made me realize something new; So, the reason why Landia doesn't get possess by the crown, going by what I have hear on some videos, is that Landia nullifies the power of the crown and that the power of the crown varies depending on the intentions of the user. Both things being said as facts. But the more reasonable explanation is that the crown can only possess others after taking direct damage, regardless of the user. This would also fit on how it was able to possess Parallel Landia.
I dare to think that not many thought in that. Eficiente 1:00, April 22, 2019

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